Ep 260 - Mindful Confidence for Introverts with guest Louise Jefferies

Are you looking for practical ways to build authentic confidence as an introvert—without forcing yourself to be someone you’re not? In this week’s episode of The Quiet And Strong Podcast, host David Hall welcomes guest Louise Jefferies, an expert coach who helps introverted, empathic professionals find their voice and show up with genuine confidence, especially in high-stakes environments.

You'll will learn why confidence isn’t something you “hack,” but an emotion you can cultivate through a mindful approach, understanding your own strengths, and embracing your personality. Louise shares her powerful strategies for calming mental chatter, overcoming the urge to people-please, and setting healthy boundaries—especially for those working in another language or navigating demanding workplace cultures. Find ways to make visibility at work feel less overwhelming, and how conversation with your inner “mind chatter” can quiet self-doubt.

If you want to hear real advice from someone who has helped others overcome speaking anxiety, perfectionism, and the pressure to fit in, this episode will show you how embracing who you truly are leads to deeper confidence and effectiveness. Tune in for an inspiring conversation packed with insights you can use in your own life—and be strong.

Episode Link: QuietandStrong.com/260

Louise Jefferies helps introverted, empathic women (particularly in senior roles in Pharma/Biotech, often non-native English speakers) who struggle with self-worth, people-pleasing, and fear of being seen. She helps them find their voice, speak their truth, and show up with confidence using Parts Work, Core Transformation, and NLP. She works with clients who value deep transformation work and are willing to invest in themselves.

Connect with Louise:

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Transcript

Louise Jefferies [00:00:00]:
If you can imagine a child tugging at your sleeve and screaming for your attention. When we ignore, doesn't go away, does it? No, it tugs more and it screams louder. So by talking to ourselves, our own vulnerable parts, and saying, yeah, I hear you, you're right, we'll do something about it. Or what do you want to tell me? Then it does get quieter. So that's the one side. The other side that I use is have times where I allow it and places where I don't. So I don't allow my mental chatter in bed. That's my sacred space.

Louise Jefferies [00:00:39]:
Yeah. If I start overthinking, I force myself to get up, go somewhere, and then say, okay, Ted, you've got five minutes. Write it all down. If necessary, have something to drink, some water, whatever, and say, we got five minutes and when we get back in, that's it. And I think if you're. I find if I'm consequent with that, then there's just certain places you just don't do it. And then at least you get some sleep.

David Hall [00:01:12]:
Hello and welcome to episode 260 of.

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The Quiet and Strong podcast.

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Especially for introverts. I'm your host, David hall, and the.

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Creator of Quiet and Strong Dot com.

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This is a weekly podcast dedicated to.

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Understanding the strengths and needs of introverts.

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Along with strategies for success.

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Introversion is not something to fix, but to be embraced. Normally we will air each episode on a Monday. Be sure to subscribe on your favorite platform, leave a review or a rating. That would mean a lot to me and help others find the show. Tell a friend about the podcast, help get the word out there that introversion is a beautiful thing. Louise Jefferies helps introverted empathic women, particularly in senior roles in pharma and biotech. Often non native English speakers who struggle with self worth, people pleasing and fear of being seen. She helps them find their voice, speak their truth and show up with confidence using parts work, core transformation and nlp.

David Hall [00:02:14]:
She works with clients who value deep transformation work and are willing to invest in themselves.

David Hall [00:02:22]:
All right, well, welcome to the Quiet and Strong podcast. Louise. Louise, it's so good to have you on today.

Louise Jefferies [00:02:27]:
Thank you, David. It's a pleasure to be here.

David Hall [00:02:30]:
All right, we're going to get into the work you're doing, but first just tell us about your journey to the work that you're doing.

Louise Jefferies [00:02:36]:
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? I think what I notice when we look at our journey, when we are on our journey, it's only when we look backwards that we See quite how it started. I don't know if that relates to you or not. So I help mainly introverts and I realize I work with introverts because I am not hugely introverted, but I am introverted and I find introverts easier to work with, Working with extroverts just because I'm sensitive as well. It's just a bit overwhelming. It exhausts me a little bit more. There's less to process. You know, extroverts process a lot on the outside, so it's just quieter being and working with introverts and I think they need a little bit more help in the direction I can help them. So I was a language teacher, or still am.

Louise Jefferies [00:03:24]:
I've been doing that for 25 years. And what I noticed was that I had repeat offenders people coming back class after class, course after course, and they would speak brilliantly with me and in the class, and then they would keep coming back and saying, talking about meetings where they froze and talking about how their language skills aren't enough. And I say, they are enough and you can do this with me. And I realized it's not the language skills. They would have better language skills than some of the extroverts. I thought, okay, I'm failing these people. The language training institution as a whole is failing so many people because we're only teaching language skills. And when they come to us saying, I need more vocab, that is a symptom of lack of confidence.

Louise Jefferies [00:04:16]:
It's not a skills lack, it's an ability, it's a confidence lack. So I thought, okay, I'm going to start working with these introverts to help them speak, help them find the confidence they do have so they can speak up. And I think one of the reasons it's not taught more in language classes as first teachers aren't coaches. A lot of us become coach and do coach. But it also pays for language schools to have people come back in the courses. So of course they don't want to fix it. So it's a combination of that brought me to where I am.

David Hall [00:04:51]:
So often you're working with introverts that are also struggling speaking in another language.

Louise Jefferies [00:04:58]:
Yes. So I'm based in Germany, so I'm British based in Germany. Before I started teaching, I worked as a radiographer treating cancer with radiation. And that wasn't a healthy environment for me. So when I started teaching, I was automatically put into pharmaceutical and biotech companies. I moved after training into Portugal and then to Germany. So I was very quickly put in Areas which I loved. I love being in the science industry as opposed to insurance or banking.

Louise Jefferies [00:05:32]:
It just fits me better. I understand a tiny amount of what we're talking about. So that was the environment I was put in. And there are a lot of introverts in the science and biotech field because they like being in their labs. They're very reflective, introspective, and it works. They're perfectionists with the science, but of course it doesn't work so much when they have to talk about their science.

David Hall [00:05:57]:
Yeah, yeah. So when did you figure out you were an introvert?

Louise Jefferies [00:06:03]:
I think I probably had a label for it sometime in the last 10 years. That and the highly sensitive label I've sort of assumed for myself in the last 10 years. I couldn't tell you a particular moment.

David Hall [00:06:18]:
Was there a particular book or resource or something?

Louise Jefferies [00:06:21]:
No, I don't think so. I think it's been a gradual. I mean, I did the Myers Briggs, actually. I come out on Myers Briggs as extrovert, but only 52.

David Hall [00:06:32]:
Okay.

Louise Jefferies [00:06:33]:
I would say it's. I'm not convinced that they don't have an ambivert. And I think the introvert extrovert scale is.

David Hall [00:06:43]:
Well, and the way I define it is it's how much we're turning inward, you know, to our inner world of ideas and. And also we tend to speak and then think. You. You were talking about that a little bit with. Extroverts are usually thinking out loud. So those are some big differences. What's a strength you have because you're an introvert or a highly sensitive person?

Louise Jefferies [00:07:10]:
I think listening. I think extroverts tend because they're processing a lot externally, they're not. Well, they are reflecting, but I think it's difficult to listen and speak at the same time. So definitely the listening, and not just in a conversation, but in an area you're sort of more aware of what's going on. And I think the sensitive thing is a big thing. Feeling sort of being aware of how people are, what's going on. Of course, you can't always interpret if you're. You're not always right, but you can feel something's going on.

Louise Jefferies [00:07:51]:
You can feel when somebody's uncomfortable and you can have an idea of what it might be to make them more comfortable. And that certainly helps with the coaching because you can tell when somebody throws a little word, it's like part of their subconscious throws something out into the conversation and then withdraws from it because they don't really want to speak about it. It's like, if I say this, will you slap it out as saying that's wrong or that's strange or weird? You know, they're like little, little gifts, little sort of suggestions. Where will you find this? Will you see it? And when you're sensitive and you notice things that bear little gifts that you can say. Now you just mentioned that. Tell me more about that. And I think that's part of it.

David Hall [00:08:39]:
Yeah. Yeah. So that's. That's a big part of the show. We definitely talk about the strengths of our personality types. We also bust myths. Is there a myth about being introverted or being highly sensitive you want to bust today?

Louise Jefferies [00:08:53]:
Oh, the highly sensitive myth I would like to blow wide open because it's. There's a lot of controversy about hsp, as we call it, highly sensitive people. And I'm occasionally on for my sins on TikTok, which I'm not a big fan of, but I just go on and post and then retreat rapidly. And I did some posts on highly sensitive people and I got a lot of pushback. A lot of people saying HSP is just autism or one of a spectrum in disguise, and it's been blown out. It's not a thing. And for a start, this whole spectrum, there is. It is a spectrum.

Louise Jefferies [00:09:32]:
It's huge. Okay. And I think some people think there's two things. They think that highly sensitive people have a problem, as in they're disturbed by something, and it's not. It's an ability. It's not a lack, it's not a condition. It's not something that needs fixing. It's an ability, a sensitivity to perceive what's out there, which we all have, but some of us, it's slightly more tuned, we're more aligned, we notice more.

Louise Jefferies [00:10:07]:
So that's the first thing. It's not a disturbance, it's a perception. And I think the second thing is that highly sensitive people are about to burst into tears if you say the slightest thing which is offensive or upsetting or shocking. I'm highly sensitive. I've done parachute jumps, I've flown airplanes, I've got my bike license. I've done all sorts of what some people say, crazy, courageous things. And I'm highly sensitive.

David Hall [00:10:37]:
Yeah, I love that. Well said. The fact that it's not something to fix. I say that about introversion all the time. Introvert, being introverted, being highly sensitive, they're not something to fix. But they're definitely gifts that we have. And we don't all have the same gifts. Yeah, I'm not highly sensitive.

David Hall [00:10:55]:
I've definitely looked into Reddit take taken the quiz and it's not good or bad, it's just different. I'm more of a logical thinker and somebody else is going to really be in tune with their feelings and feelings of others things in the environment than I am. And so it's just a matter of understanding and realizing we each had different gifts. We're not all the same.

Louise Jefferies [00:11:22]:
We need all of us because we need the people like yourself for logical, brilliant minds, the academics, because I don't consider myself as an academic. My brain, that isn't where it excels. But we need all these people. We need the perfectionists, we need the introverts. We need the people who would sit on a computer and work logically through something and not get distracted. And we need the, I want to say crazy, which is a negative word, but amazing, brilliant, artistic way out there people. We need all of us to function and to provide enough resources for the world. And this sensitivity is also not necessarily a negative thing because we tend to think I'm sensitive to negative things, to vibes.

Louise Jefferies [00:12:11]:
But when you know you're sensitive and you know it's a gift, you can train it. It's just part of our subconscious. We can train it to flag things and not just dangers, but opportunities. And there's a lot of people aren't aware of that.

David Hall [00:12:25]:
Yeah. So how did you decide to be a coach?

Louise Jefferies [00:12:30]:
Probably I had a moment. It was 2005, I'm a serial people pleaser and I had a moment in 2005 out with some friends, colleagues, a mixed bag, and somebody asked me a question and I didn't know the answer. And it was one of those mirror moments where you sort of see yourself and I could suddenly see what I was doing and realize I didn't know the answer because I didn't know what answer they wanted to hear. And at that moment I thought, wow, you are living your life answering questions not through what you know, but through what you want everybody else, what you think everybody else wants to hear. And that was a moment of whoa, okay, that's, that's quite something. So I looked more into it and into coaching and got into coaching. I thought, I can't be the only one doing this, so I'm going to train and learn how to do it and help other people.

David Hall [00:13:36]:
Awesome.

David Hall [00:13:36]:
And what's the benefits of working with the coach?

Louise Jefferies [00:13:38]:
Oh, huge, I would say. I mean, as a coach, I've been coached many times. I still have coaching. I've just Booked another course, excuse me, of sessions in January, because we are all onions and we have lots of layers and we have stuff. And the reason why to work with a coach, I think, is our subconscious is very, very clever and we can think we know a lot about ourselves, which we do, and we think we can sort our own problems, but our subconscious is very good at hiding things or manipulating or keeping us safe where we basically want to keep safe. And as soon as we try and step out of our comfort zone, as soon as we start looking at something, the subconscious gives us a very nice, easy scenario or solution as to why it can't be, why we can't do something, why it's dangerous to change, and it keeps us in this very safe, very narrow corridor of what. What we can do. And I think when we work with a coach, it's somebody else saying, wait a minute, why can't you do that? What exactly have you, you know? And it sort of thinks.

Louise Jefferies [00:14:55]:
It brings us back to our senses of, yeah, actually, I'd never thought of that. Why can't I do that? So I think that's why we need coaches. We need someone else to call our bluff.

David Hall [00:15:06]:
Yeah. What are some couple of common things that people are bringing to you?

Louise Jefferies [00:15:14]:
The main one is people want more confidence. And a lot of people, they either have come to me for language training, they want more vocabulary, or they come and say, I want more confidence. And the main trigger is something to do with an interview. They either have an upcoming interview and they're freaking out about it, they've had one which they've done badly in, and they now are unsettled and want to know what to do to be more assertive to me, more whatever they were told they had to be, or they pass the interview and they're in a new job and they're suddenly freaking out that, how did they think I could do this? What made me believe I could actually lead this senior team? It's mainly senior managers, and I think before the senior managers, we know we're not very good at speaking up, or we're not very confident, but we get away with it, we wing it, we delegate. And when you get to that senior level, particularly in a second language, you've got to not only trust yourself to speak up, but do it with confidence. So confidence is a key, and that's a hard one for them because a lot of people don't believe they have the confidence. So a lot of my work goes with helping them find that confidence. What does it actually feel like? And get used to tuning into that feeling so that they can access it when they need it in an important meeting.

David Hall [00:16:41]:
How do you help them do that? How do you help them recognize how, how to build confidence, what it feels like, Whether that's they're lacking confidence because not understanding their introversion or not having the confidence to speak up in another language.

Louise Jefferies [00:16:55]:
I don't think it matters what the lack of confidence or what the confidence to do what I don't think, for me, confidence is. It's an emotion, it's a feeling, it's something inside of us. And there's two things that I work with. First of all is the mental chatter that's blocking it. Okay? Because we can't access something if part of our subconscious says it is not safe to go there. That is not a thing I can do. We need to find out what that is, talk to that mental chatter. That's just a matter of what's going on in their mind and where do they feel it.

Louise Jefferies [00:17:37]:
Often they feel it, it's very common to feel it in the chest or in their head and then just have a conversation and say thank you for being here. And yes, you're right, this is a scary situation. And yes, I could mess up and that would be bad. And when we thank that part of us for telling us that it is scary and agree rather than pushing it away and saying, I don't want to hear you and it's shameful that I'm feeling like that. That's a big. It just makes it bigger in the room. So we start with that side and getting that a little bit quieter so the mind chatter is not screaming, danger, run away. And then for the confidence side, I get them to find a time where they felt confident.

Louise Jefferies [00:18:27]:
And it doesn't have to be work related. It could be when they were a teenager. For me, the resource I go to is When I was 16, I did a solo glider flight. And that was very, very cool. And that feeling, taking off on my own with no radio contact or anything, flying this plane on a small loop and landing again, that was confidence for me. That felt. I knew I could do it. I was trained, I was ready, and I felt amazing.

Louise Jefferies [00:19:01]:
So when I look back at that scenario, that experience, I put myself, I take a moment to balance myself, ground myself in that experience, remember how it feels in my body, where I feel it, and just live that experience. And when you get used to doing that, that will start several times a day. You can access it. And some people use an NLP technique called anchoring where you. While you're remembering it, you hold onto a pen or something. And then when you pick up the pen, if you do it repeatedly, you sort of connect the action, the memory, with the object, and that can help you in an interview. So that's the sort of process that we go through.

David Hall [00:19:50]:
So when you were talking about mindchatter, is it actually you're talking back to yourself or talking back to your mind chatter?

Louise Jefferies [00:19:56]:
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And the difficulty with mind chatter is it people generally don't think about it and they believe that it's only one way. So we have a lot going in our head and we don't realize it's party. We don't realize we can talk to it in a. In a conversational way. We just say, oh, shut up, what am I doing? We're very negative towards it. And when we actually thank it for being here.

Louise Jefferies [00:20:28]:
I did a talk for an organization called hba, Healthcare Business Women's association. And we had, I think it's about 100 people in the call. And I asked them to go to the mind Chatter. It was about introversion of speaking up and networking and just thank their mind chatter for being there and for telling them that it was scary and just that simple act of thanking it over. Well, about half had a reduction in the anxiety. So, I mean, that's huge. That's just saying thank you. And that's just the first step of working with the subconscious and with the parts.

Louise Jefferies [00:21:07]:
So just if we can say, okay, I hear you, thank you for the warning, it might just notch it down by a couple of points, which is enough for us to actually maybe say hello or walk into a room that we don't want to go into. Networking.

David Hall [00:21:23]:
Yeah, that's awesome. And then as we're building our confidence, a lot of people definitely need and want to be more visible at work. How do we do that?

Louise Jefferies [00:21:34]:
That depends a lot on where you are. Yeah, there's no magic this is what you have to do because it depends on what stage you're at. But it could be, I think small is key. Yeah. Particularly if you're very nervous, very anxious, social anxiety, these sort of things. So, I mean, it could be something like starting off with having eye contact with someone. It could be saying hello to receptionist as you walk in. Or the cleaning staff.

Louise Jefferies [00:22:06]:
Cleaner staff are great. You know, you can have a conversation with them. They'll be happy that you speak to them. It could be. It doesn't have to be speaking. It could be the email after the meeting. It could be Connecting one to one. There's so many different ways.

Louise Jefferies [00:22:22]:
That really depends on. There is an amount of getting out of your comfort zone, but there's no actual singular thing. But I think in all of this, it's a matter of knowing who you are and that being okay. Yeah, I am not a chatty, outgoing person, and that's okay. And I don't have to speak up, but if I want to get a promotion, if I want a leadership position, then I'm going to have to start. So it's a matter of what do we want? If you don't want to speak up in a meeting and be more visible, then don't. Yeah, don't feel the pressure. If you don't want to be.

David Hall [00:23:02]:
That's the key question. What do you want? And understanding your introversion or. Or extroversion is. Is the key. How can I get what I want? But what do you want? And if. If you don't want to constantly talk, you definitely don't have to. But you need to be confident to share those things that you really feel that are important to share.

Louise Jefferies [00:23:26]:
Yeah. And I think knowing who you are, this is key. It's such a difficult question, isn't it, David? If you say, I mean, who are you? When somebody asks you, who are you? How do you answer that?

David Hall [00:23:38]:
Yeah, that's true.

Louise Jefferies [00:23:40]:
Because we tend to define who we are by labels, by categories of relationships with other people and organizations and jobs, and all of this does sort of define us, but these categories change over our life, which is why we tend to have these midlife crisis events, because the labels that defined us up until then suddenly disappear. Our children leave home, we change jobs, people come into our lives, people die, and we know where our health changes. I mean, I could say, I'm a jogger, I'm a mother, I'm a whatever, cat lover. But if my daughter leaves home, my body fails and I can't jog and the cat dies, then. And I lose my job, then who am I? So we've got to stay consistent and have this sense of what these labels say about our personality, that that's who we are, so that when something shifts, we don't have a crisis.

David Hall [00:24:41]:
Yeah, and the labels are just helpful to get to know ourselves, but they don't define us. You are who you are, no matter what your label is.

Louise Jefferies [00:24:50]:
Yeah, but then it's difficult to define ourselves. We might as well put a color on orange.

David Hall [00:24:57]:
Yeah.

Louise Jefferies [00:24:57]:
Yeah, it's. It's very difficult to. Sometimes, I think, to find a word to say who we are, I think a sound or a color or a feeling. It's a difficult question.

David Hall [00:25:11]:
Yeah.

David Hall [00:25:12]:
And on confidence, I heard you speaking on a podcast, and you were talking about how, you know, sometimes people try to use quick confidence hacks. What's wrong with that?

Louise Jefferies [00:25:24]:
Confidence hacks, they're not all bad, but they're the polish. So if you can imagine you have a car and you have a crash, you run into something, you got a big dent, you've got structural damage, there's no point polishing it. Surface polish isn't going to. It's going to make it shiny. You're going to have a shiny dent. Okay. If you have a crash and our bodies are vehicles and we have crashes, we need to do the deeper work, the structural work to repair the damage done by whatever crashed. Whatever crashed.

Louise Jefferies [00:26:02]:
Our confidence, we need to repair that first. Once we've done some of repair work, we've got ourselves back into shape, then we can use the confidence hacks. And when I say hack, it's things like body posture, certain words, things you can do with your hands, and whether you lean forwards or backwards, pauses. All of these things are really good for presentations. But I think if we're trying to visit a dimension between your ear and your. Your shoulder, and the longer the distance for the more confidence you are. So if you think, if you're trying to, you know, shoulders down, your pyramid, your hands, and you're doing this. If you're doing this and you're freaking out on the inside, you just look weird.

Louise Jefferies [00:26:50]:
Yeah.

David Hall [00:26:50]:
Yeah.

Louise Jefferies [00:26:52]:
It's not authentic. And people hear, they see it, they hear it, they can smell it. People can smell. Fear is amazing, isn't it? It's contagious. So if you're doing confidence hacks without addressing what's going on inside, it doesn't work. And I think when it doesn't work, we then feel even more of a failure and a fake because we're doing all of this and it's not working. And we feel even more disconnected with who we are because we're projecting something, which we're not. We're not.

Louise Jefferies [00:27:23]:
We don't feel. So our identity crisis is getting bigger and we don't know who we are, and then if we get a knot, we crash even further. So that's my anti confidence hack spiel.

David Hall [00:27:37]:
Okay. And then part of our thinking is definitely we can be prone to overthinking. How do we overcome that?

Louise Jefferies [00:27:48]:
Well, again, that, for me, that ties into mind chatter. Yeah. And I think getting used to listening to it and knowing the different characters without sounding like some sort of schizophrenia. We all have mind chatter. And if you listen to it, you will notice different characteristics. So we tend to have worriers. We tend to have sort of classical vulnerable child. The scared parts, we have angry parts.

Louise Jefferies [00:28:26]:
All of these parts are doing something for us. They're keeping us safe. They're alerting us to things coming up to keep us safe. So it's a matter of knowing how to communicate, how to listen, and not to push anything away or say it's bad, but just to listen and say, okay, thank you for telling me that. You're right, this is dangerous. You're right, this is scary to vulnerable child. Whatever it is, you don't have to be here. But thank you for telling me about that.

Louise Jefferies [00:29:02]:
And you're right, this helps calm mental chatter. Because if you can imagine a child tugging at your sleeve and screaming for your attention. When we ignore. Doesn't go away, does it? No, it tugs more and it screams louder. So by talking to ourselves, our own vulnerable parts, and saying, yeah, I hear you, you're right, we'll do something about it. Or, what do you want to tell me? Then it does get quieter. So that's the one side. The other side that I use is.

Louise Jefferies [00:29:35]:
Have times where I allow it and places where I don't. So I don't allow my mental chatter in bed. That's my sacred space. Yeah. If I start overthinking, I force myself to get up, go somewhere, and then say, okay, Ted, you've got five minutes. Write it all down, if necessary, have something to drink, some water or whatever, and say, we've got five minutes, and when we get back in, that's it. And I think if you're. I find if I'm consequent with that, then there's just certain places you just don't do it, and then at least you get some sleep.

David Hall [00:30:10]:
Yeah, that sounds like a good strategy. Louise, you're a fellow podcaster. Tell us about your podcast, English Talk, and the topics that you discuss there.

Louise Jefferies [00:30:19]:
Yeah, so I started a podcast, I think it was about 18 months, two years ago, called Speaking up in English at Work for Introverts. And I have lots of introverts and the occasional extrovert. Come on and talk about life, how they've overcome stuff, what they still struggle with, mainly scientists, but not all. And just talk, as we are now, about experiences they've had, how they've sort of overcome things, just talking about their experiences. And I think just so everybody can hear that we're not alone. We're not the only person who struggled. Maybe somebody has some good tips. We just have interesting conversations like we are now on things, on everyday life.

David Hall [00:31:06]:
Yeah, sounds great. This has been a great conversation. Is there anything else you want to add today?

Louise Jefferies [00:31:13]:
We've covered quite a bit, David. Yeah, we have everything that I can say in the last few minutes before we get into another deep topic. But I think it's important that we say that everything is allowed, that there are no broken personalities as such. It's okay. And I think the key for what I wish for everybody is to really know ourselves and know that that's okay. And when we're authentic, then we can do so much more. When we're authentic, when we are centered in ourselves and we speak, people feel that much more than remembering phrases and faking this, faking that. If we could just all be authentic, speak our truth with compassion, I think the world would probably be a less complicated place.

David Hall [00:32:13]:
Yeah. Yeah. Well said on that. Living authentically, getting to know yourself, that's. That's the key. And that's, that's why I do this podcast.

Louise Jefferies [00:32:22]:
Yeah. And it's tough. It's tough knowing yourself and keeping up with yourself.

David Hall [00:32:29]:
And you said. Yeah, you said earlier, take little steps. You know, I, I really appreciated that as well.

Louise Jefferies [00:32:36]:
Yeah. Too big a step and you just.

David Hall [00:32:38]:
Fall into a. Yeah, that's right. Where can people find out more about the great work you do as a coach and your podcast?

Louise Jefferies [00:32:46]:
Yeah, well, I have a website, his louisejefferies.com. that's an easy one. And I'm all over LinkedIn, so if people look for me on LinkedIn, you'll find all my links there and my podcast. And I'm working all over the world. A lot of people in America, some in Australia, Asia, so anywhere where people are mainly having to use English because unfortunately. Well, fortunately for us, but unfortunately for a lot of the world, there's a lot of expectation and pressure to communicate in English.

David Hall [00:33:17]:
Yeah, for sure. All right, well, thanks again.

Louise Jefferies [00:33:20]:
Thank you so much for having me on.

David Hall [00:33:21]:
David, thank you so much for joining me. I appreciate you. I hope you take the time to explore other episodes and learn from other amazing guests. Remember, if you're interested in getting to know yourself better, there is now a free type finder personality assessment on the Quiet and Strong website. This free assessment will give you a brief report including the four letter Myers Briggs Code. I'll add a link in the show notes and I'd love to connect with you. Reach out to david (@) quietandstrong.com or check out the quietandstrong.com website, which includes blog posts and links to social media for quiet and strong and much more. Send me topics or guests you would like to see on the show.

David Hall [00:34:02]:
So many great things about being an introvert and so we need those to be understood. Get to know your introverted strengths and needs and be strong.